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Since my Atheism Dilemma series of posts have been so popular, I have decided to continue writing more posts.  These posts exist to show the incoherence of atheism as a belief system.  In this post, I will focus on the Atheism Dilemma of Appeal to Assertion.

 

An Appeal to Assertion is a fallacy that entails a premise to be true just because it was stated and repeated.  Atheists are guilty of this fallacy.  They assert many things regarding God, Faith and Religion.  Here are a few and my response to them.

 

 

Assertion:  God is Imaginary
Many atheists claim that God is imaginary or exists solely in the imagination of the human person.  At first, the assertion seems coherent; God is invisible, no one can hear Him, see Him etc.  Kids have imaginary friends and these friends seem to have this characteristic of invisibility.  However, there is a problem with this assertion: proof.  

 

Objection:
In order for this assertion that God is imaginary to be taken seriously, the one making the claim must provide evidence of this.  For God to be imaginary, God must be shown to exist in the synapses within the Thalamus and Neocortex.  To date, no such evidence of this exists.  Moreover, imaginative beings cannot affect the material world.  God as an imaginative being cannot heal, answer prayers or manifest Himself in the external world outside of the human brain as an agent that can manipulate matter.   

 

Assertion:  God is a myth
Atheists assert that God is part of mythology.  While gods such as Zeus, Thor and the like are considered mythology, atheists include the God worshiped by monotheistic religions are part of mythology.  Jehovah, Yahweh, Allah, Jesus are all considered mythological beings.  The problem with this assertion is that there is no proof.  

 

Objection:
In order for something to be considered mythology, it must have a human origin. Mythology is a collection of stories or apothegm that originate from an author or authors.  We know that mythological gods have an origin in specific authors and can classify them as such.  In order for God to be classified a myth, an author or authors must be present.  In other words, for God to be a myth, He must have His origin in human authorship.  No atheists have provided evidence that God was authored by a particular human author.  

 

Assertion:  Which God?  There are many Gods to choose from, they all cannot be right.
When theists mention God for a particular reason, atheists often respond: which God?  They do this in an attempt to equate God with other folk versions of gods.  This is done to present God as a deity competing with other deities.  The problem with this assertion is that there is a clear lack of comprehension between folk religion and revealed religion.  

 

Objection:
While there are over 3,000 different designations and descriptions of gods in human society, this does not mean that God is automatically disqualified.  Man has always had belief in a supreme being or creator.  This is a common trait found in every culture throughout the globe.  We are even wired to have belief in God via the VMAT2 gene.  Throughout human history, man has attempted to define and classify this ultimate reality of a supreme being.  Man has used language with its limits in order to describe God.  Some defined God via their understanding of nature or natural phenomenon.  Others defined God via what is experienced in human life such as emotions, sex, pleasure, and so on.  These gods are all manifestations of the limited ability of man to describe the ultimate reality of God.  There is only one God and man in his limited capacity has tried to define him based on the limits of human experience and language.  The 3,000 + gods we know are how man has attempted to describe the one reality called God.  

 
These are some examples of assertions made by atheists that are fallacious and said due to lack of education.  When one critically examines the assertion and compares them with facts, one will see how easy they are to refute.  
 
Appealing to assertions may be a quick method to stump theists who are not well prepared in arguing logically; however, they backfire when cross-examined.  Atheism has another dilemma here that does damage to the claim that atheism adheres to logic and reason.  It is obvious that atheism possesses neither of these.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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4 Comments

  1. As an Atheist I’ll respond to your bizarre “dilemma’s” that miss the point more than pose tough questions.

    “For God to be imaginary, God must be shown to exist in the synapses within the Thalamus and Neocortex.”
    Says who? Surely you believe that Hindu, Greek and Viking Gods are imaginary, but do we have to examine someone’s brain to find this out?

    Moreover, imaginative beings cannot affect the material world. God as an imaginative being cannot heal, answer prayers or manifest Himself”
    I don’t know why you consider this a refutation or dilemma because all Atheists would agree that God does not heal people or answer prayers.

    “No atheists have provided evidence that God was authored by a particular human author.”
    They also haven’t proved that Ancient Greek, Roman and Irish mythology was written by one specific author. Does that mean those myths are true?

    “Which God?”
    Seeing as there are some many types of religion each with their own message, they can’t all be right. Especially as they all claim the other ones are wrong. Therefore even if one is right, what are the odds you picked correctly? 1 in 3000?

    “These are some examples of assertions made by atheists that are fallacious and said due to lack of education.”
    Considering the average Atheist is far more educated than the average Christian, this is a ridiculous statement.

    • Sacerdotus says:

      Based on your response, you did not understand my post. Had you understood it, you would not have stated that Hindu, Greek and other Gods are imaginary after I explained why man has many gods. Certainly one must have evidence for any assertion made. Neurologists always try to find the regions of the brain that produces different experiences and how those experiences develop. If God is indeed imaginary, neurologists will be able to pinpoint this in the brain. One cannot make such a claim without backing it up. Whether atheists do not believe that God heals or answers prayers is irrelevant. The reality is that they do occur and are documented. Religion would not be so successful had people not had an effect in their lives. We know ancient mythologies have an author, hence, they are called “mythology.” Now if God is mythology, who is the author? To date, no one has answered this. In reality, they cannot because God has no author. As for picking the “correct” god, I would not worry about this. God sees all and sees the intentions of people. If a person is genuinely seeking to be righteous, does good to others, but happens to pray to a representation of God that is not what God presented to man, then this individual will not be condemned. In depth study of religion and gods will lead to the one God that reveals Himself and is not described by man. The statement that the average atheist is more educated than the average christian is unfounded. First, Christians have their own school systems, atheists do not. Second, Christians outnumber atheists so there is no way to compare both groups.

      • When something is described as imaginary, it is meant it is not real. For example dragons, unicorns and leprechauns are imaginary. We do not have to examine the brain to prove this. Nor would their absence from the brain mean they were real or existed.

        On healing or answering prayers, there are no universally accepted cases so you cannot simply state it as though it were facts. Indeed a great many Christian don’t believe that people are healed by God (they have the ridiculous idea that doctors and medicine do this).

        “We know ancient mythologies have an author, hence, they are called “mythology.””
        What? What are you talking about? We don’t know the original source of any ancient myth. Most of them don’t have any single author but rather are the culminated of generations of retelling orally (just like the Bible).

        “The statement that the average atheist is more educated than the average christian is unfounded. First, Christians have their own school systems, atheists do not.”
        How does that prove anything? Atheists still go to school, sometimes even those run by religions. Simply running a school doesn’t make all the members of your group more intelligent.

        Why does God promote so many different religions with their contradictory rules? Surely he would be doing us all a favour by pointing out which religion is the correct one? Seeing as each religion has its own list of forbidden activity what if I unknowingly break one of its rules? Will God forgive me? If so, what was the point of the rules in the first place?

        “Second, Christians outnumber atheists so there is no way to compare both groups.”
        This is a funny backtrack as you began by claiming that Atheist claims are “said due to lack of education”. Now its not possible to know whether or not Atheists have more or less education (even though the sample size doesn’t affect the average).

      • Sacerdotus says:

        Regardless of the description, evidence must be given to support the premise of the description. Stating that something is imaginary does not make it imaginary. Evidence is needed. Psychologists probe the brain seeking the origin of all kinds of delusions. We do need to examine the brain whenever we feel its operation interferes with the common good, ie sociopaths. Stating that God is imaginary when people have personal experiences is not going to convince those people. You have to provide evidence for your claim. Healing and answered prayers are indeed documented and sometimes even reported in the media. The Vatican takes any claims of healing and miracles seriously and conducts an extensive investigation to verify them to be supernatural and not natural.

        We do know the original source of many myths and therefore can describe them as such. Perhaps you should take a mythology course and learn about this. My comment regarding school systems directly addressed your previous statement. My point was that Christians do value education. As a matter of fact, without the Catholic Church we would not have the education system. It is hilarious when atheists try to deduce that Christians are imbeciles living in the dark ages and that atheists are the intelligent scientists. This is not the case at all.

        Who said God promotes many different religions? This is a claim that you have made. Man since he could think has always pondered the “who made us” question. We are even hardwired for this. Using reason, man has developed all kinds of ideas attempting to answer this question. They got the right idea in regards of a supreme being; however, they may have exaggerated or have gotten the other things wrong. God has pointed to us what religion is correct. This is why He came as Jesus and founded the Catholic Church which is a community of believers of all races. However, this is not a religion competition. Even those who are not Christian can still reach God. Even an atheist can go to heaven, granted he/she lived a moral life and did not believe due to ignorance. God is not out there keeping score on people’s lives. He is on the sidelines rooting for us to finish the race called life in an extraordinary way by being good, realizing our potential and not giving up to the temptations of evil.

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