@askegg finally responded to my response, here is my reply. My words are in black and his are in blue.
<<“Andrew seems to think that only Atheists hold exclusivity to rational thinking.”
<<“Science as we know it today was formed by the Catholic Church. The Church has been the pioneer of many scientific discoveries.”
<<“Faith and Reason are not opposed to each other.”
<<“Atheists seem to believe that Faith means to blindly accept things. This is not Faith. Faith opens the mind and heart to what is beyond the perceivable.”
<<“Faith is what pushes an Olympian to go beyond what he/she knows his body is capable of doing (Reason).”
<<“Faith is what pushed the Church to form and endorse science so that She could learn more about God’s creation.”
Sacerdotus replies: Not at all. The Church is now a global empire. We have universities and state of the art observatories.
<<“The Church developed the education system, the hospital system etc. These are all acts of Faith.” I see you are equivocating already. “Faith” in medical science is founded on repeated, verifiable, falsifiable, empirical evidence, hard data, and observations of the real world. “Faith” a god exists in believing “what is beyond the perceivable” without any good reason it’s actually true.>>
Sacerdotus replies: No no no, you missed the point. All the things I stated were to counter claim your claim. The Church is not against science nor against reason. That was the point of my listing of the Church’s “inventions.”
<<“Are you saying that the dictionary is a demonstrably false claim? This is absurd.”
<<“It is interesting to note that you pick and choose which definition to use. Why do you do this? The etymology of the word is clear: Atheism is not a lack of belief. The word comes from the Greek “a- Theos” which means “without god or gods” and is used in the negative in that it is a rejection of gods. The “a” means “without” for example: asexual or “without sex.” This is also used in the word Agnostic which means “without knowledge” which is in turn translated as someone who doesn’t think anything is knowable. So the word “Atheism” cannot mean lack of belief in anything.”
<<“Defining Atheists as those who deny God does not mean that denial of God means there IS a God.”
“Moreover, we do not know if there is a purple unicorn there or not.”
<<“Anyone who claims to know for a fact that there is no purple unicorn presupposes that the 5 senses detect “reality” in its full capacity.”
<<“In reality, the senses do not detect “reality” as it is. We never sense the actual objects. There is always a barrier/filter which our nervous system uses to interpret what we are supposedly sensing. For all we know, reality could be a simulation like the Matrix as Chalmers explains in his thought experiment. In reality, we just don’t know. Our brains deceive us all the time. This is one of the reasons why Atheism makes no sense.”
<<“It is an assumption that humanity has learned all there is to know about metaphysics and physics and therefore no God exists because we know everything, saw everything and there was no one else out there.”
<<“Again, the word comes from the Greek “A theos” or “without God/gods.” It has nothing to do with disbelief.
<<“Yes, in order to disbelieve something there must be something there to disbelieve.”
<<“I am thinking right now of something, can you disbelieve it without knowing what that something is?”
<<“The mind needs to be aware of God or the concept of God before it can accept or reject it; believe or disbelieve it.”
<<“There can be someone in the world with 5 heads that I am not aware of. My unawareness does not mean I disbelieve that there is a person with 5 heads some where out there.”
<<“ [regarding quantum physics] That being said, this opens the door to “something out there” that is not perceivable in the way we perceive the world. Particles appear and disappear at random, where did they go?”
<<“ Yahweh means “I AM.” It is a title or name that God gave to Moses showing that He always was. He has no beginning nor an end. He completely transcends what we perceive as reality.”
<<“Now take this “YAHWEH” meaning and apply it to what I just describe in Quantum Theory. ”YAHWEH” is indeed possible according to the theory.”
<<“Why do you think the Higgs Boson is called the “God particle?”
“Science has brought about the Atom bomb, weapons, diseases due to manipulation of viruses, the extinction of animals and vegetation.”>>
Sacerdotus replies: Some might have said that, but it was always called the “God particle.” Even Physics acknowledges that everything has a cause.
“Science has brought us devices that interfere with our brains and bodies causing cancers and other effects on the brain.”>>
Sacerdotus replies: God can be proven to exist. Stop listening to the recycle rhetoric from Dawkins etc and actually speak to a Physicist.
“While science has given us technology that can be useful, humanity has lived thousands of years without them just fine.”>>
Sacerdotus replies: Yes, but it seems that today more and more illnesses keep on appearing due to man’s ignorance and its attempt to toy around with creation.
“What will we do when our energy sources completely deplete? Our science and its technological advances will be useless.”>>
Sacerdotus replies: Yes, that is nature. We cannot live forever or we will deplete Earth’s natural resources. Genetic abnormalities leading to death during child birth, diseases etc are the norm of living on a planet. Despite these existing in a time when man had no technology, man did not go extinct.
“Prayer has obviously worked, we are still alive on Earth.”>>
Sacerdotus replies: I personally would say to just leave the gadgets behind. We can do without them. There is a hurricane hitting our southern states and our technology is useless against it.
“Faith inspired Columbus to take his journey to the “new world.””>>
Sacerdotus replies: No, God gave us free will. We can choose to pray or not pray.
“The Bible was the first book ever printed ….”
<<“Yes, science is based on empirical facts and so on, but as I commented above, we don’t perceive things as they really are. As Plato states: “Science is but perception.” We TRUST that our senses and instruments are telling us the truth. Our senses rely on faith.”
Sacerdotus replies: What else can be done? Do you actually think you are touching your table, your computer? Do you actually think you are sensing? No. There is a barrier between the actual object and your nervous system. Have you seen Star Trek, the Next Generation? In the tv program, they often showed the ‘holodeck’ which is a room that plays holograms in a manner that is very realistic. The images are so realistic that they can be sensed by all 5 senses, the characters could eat, drink, even breathe the holographic objects. Even a bullet or knife could kill. Well that is our universe basically. We are in a sense living in a ‘holodeck.’ That is what “reality” is, an illusion per se. This is why Chalmer’s created his thought experiment that we could be in a simulation.
<<“As stated above, dogma/doctrines don’t deal with explanations of the natural world. They deal with what we must to do to go to the next world that is not physical.”
<<“Scripture is the story of how God is using man to fix man.”
<<“The Bible says killing is wrong. This is something everyone can accept.”
<<“Science can say Pluto is a planet and then, Pluto is NOT a planet.”
Sacerdotus replies: It is “correct” because a group of scientists say so. A few decades from now when better satellites appear, they will probably make Pluto a planet again. Dogma is not open to revision because it deals with morals and things pertaining to God, not the natural world.
<<“Science is based on external things while Scripture is based on internal things that deal with morality and preparing for the next life. “
<<“Actually “reality” does change based on perception.”
<<“When it rains one can see “colored water.” The water is not colored that way, we perceive it that way. Nevertheless, the water is in a sense “colored” because the composition of the atoms and how they interact with light give off that “signal.””
<<“Moreover, this is an experiment you can try. If you touch your nose with your finger you will feel your nose with your finger and your nose will feel your finger. Guess what? You were fooled. Your brain lied to you. The time that it takes your finger to send the message to your brain is longer than at the point where your nose touches your finger. Since the nose is closer to the brain than the finger, that signal is faster. Your brain compensates for this by telling you that you are sensing both the nose and finger simultaneously. If the brain does this with this simple act, imagine how many other times it is lying to us about “reality.””
<<“A miracle by definition is something that defies the laws of nature.”
<<“Evolution is a theory, not a law. This does not discredit it, but it does not make it 100% accurate either.”
<<“Well people often attack what they don’t understand.”
<<“Parrots “talk” by mimicking human beings. Who is to say there was not a snake in the past that did the same?”
<<“Informed Bible scholars all know that the talking snake is an allegory used at the time when that particular book was written.”
<<“The Bible has to be read properly in order to be understood.”
<<“Only the Catholic Church can interpret Scripture properly.”
<<“Religion uses God’s revelation in order to make man just and prepare him for the next life.”
<<“There is uniformity in many areas with religion worldwide. We all share common ideas of right behavior, a “creator,” an “afterlife,” the human soul and so on.”
<<“Scientists are divided among themselves on many issues.”
<<“Faith pushes the human experience beyond the material world.”
<<“If man did not believe he could go to the moon, he would not have made it.”
<<“Based on revelation (speaking as a Catholic), we trust God and what God has revealed.”
<<“However, have you seen the solar system with your own eyes? Have you gone to space and verified that it has zero gravity? No, you trust the people that told you these things.”
<<“Religion is not made by man, it is made by God and is subject to God.”
“843 The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as “a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life.”332”
<<“There is evidence for God.”
<<“You cannot judge and claim there is no evidence for God.”
<<“You cannot tell a homeless man who prayed for good fortune in bad times and afterwards wins a the lottery when a random stranger hands him a dollar which he used to buy a ticket.”
<<“You cannot tell a person with AIDS or cancer who was told by scientifically minded doctors that he/she will die tomorrow and after a prayer the illness is completely gone as if it never existed.”
Archbishop-Elect Salvatore Cordileone was arrested for DUI. He was jailed for 2 hours and then released on $2,500 bail. Cordileone was stopped at a sobriety checkpoint and was found to have alcohol levels above what California law permits. He was ordered to appear in court October 9. After his arrest, he asked for forgiveness and offered his apology for bringing disgrace upon the Church.
The news is disturbing indeed. Cordileone was chosen by Pope Benedict XVI to clean up the Archdiocese of San Francisco. With this arrest, many will come out and attack his moral authority, especially those in the LGBT who despise him greatly for opposing so-called “gay marriage.”
We all make mistakes, but Cordileone should have known better. Prudence is a Cardinal Virtue that brings our minds and hearts to focus on God and right reason. It brings us to do the right thing. Unfortunately, Cordileone was not using this virtue.
I pray all goes well and that the people will forgive his mistake. I pray that he will be more careful next time and use temperance when having a drink.
Out of the kindness of my heart I offered @rosarubicondior a second chance to redeem herself. After her epic fail and stalling tactics, I tried once more to see if she would muster up some courage to debate me; however, with the same outcome: cowardice.
Her friends even tried to bait me to debate her on another forum HER way:
I posted the following tweet after her Atheist friends were attempting to bait me into entering a debate on HER terms: